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View Poll Results: What will you do?
I will buy HD-DVD 24 7.67%
I will buy Blu-Ray 39 12.46%
I will wait and see how the market unfolds 116 37.06%
I have no intention on buying either this year 134 42.81%
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Old 04-10-2006, 11:47 PM   #21
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I agree. The difference between VHS & DVD is huge. The difference; at the moment, between DVD & HD-DVD/Blue-Ray is not a whole lot. I'll wait until there is more of a difference between the new & old formats. I really hope Pills is wrong with the special features prediction. That was the reason I switched to DVDs in the late '90s.
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The difference between DVD en HD-DVD / Blu-Ray is big ... just compare normal digital TV to HDTV ... and HDTV doesn't even use the full potential of HD in most cases.

BTW Crisper crappy mastering of some titles is no reason to "bash" the new format. There's plenty of well mastered discs out there that do use the full capacity of DVD. Take Ben-Hur for example, while it looks very good on DVD it will only look great on HD-DVD / Blu-Ray because of the extra wide aspect ratio used, the black banners just take up too much of the image to make it as great as for example Casablanca which is full screen and B&W.

I used to be like you and think it couldn't make all that much of a difference, but boy was I wrong ...

At the moment there isn't that much information on the new HD formats available other then the rough video specs and some vague audio specs layout. We don't know how interactivity, subtitles, data, etc etc will be handled ... and to be honest, while the interactive (incl. menus) part of DVD's is great, it can most certainly be improved upon.

I know for sure I'll be getting HD-DVD and / or Blu-Ray as soon as I can afford em. Not that I plan on replacing all my normal DVD's, but I will definately be buying new movie releases in HD as soon as I have the players.

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Old 04-11-2006, 06:28 AM   #23
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...Take Ben-Hur for example, while it looks very good on DVD it will only look great on HD-DVD / Blu-Ray because of the extra wide aspect ratio used, the black banners just take up too much of the image to make it as great as for example Casablanca which is full screen and B&W.
While I am onboard for Blu-ray (for now), I did want to ask about this statement. It will be difficult because all I have is theoretical knowledge, as I own neither a widescreen/hd tv, so if I'm wrong , please let me know
Ben Hur shouldn't look much different on blu-ray than it does on DVD. The amazon listing for what looks like an Ultimate set of Ben Hur is labeled with a ratio of 2.76:1, which actually may be wrong since I believe widescreen is officially 2.35:1. Can it be wider than that? (The other version of Ben Hur also states 2.76:1).
As for Casablanca, it was made back when the Acadamy Standard (1.37:1)was the norm, as widescreen had yet to be invented. On a normal tv this should appear fine; on a truly widscreen tv, it shouldn't fill the screen, or if you DO fill the screen, it will stretch the image.
I haven't heard of any new ratio for Blu-ray, but maybe that's what you're referring too. If not, Ben Hur should look, size-wise, the same as DVD, and Casablanca also the same.
If I'm wrong on this, or misunderstanding because I really ought to get some sleep, let me know.
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If new transfers were made then higher resolution images could be created and stored on the discs but if they use existing masters then it would be hard to see the image improving much beyond just what digital upscaling the image and storing it would do.
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But since most of the transfers made for these releases are remastered and restored in HD there is room for improvement.

As far as Ben-Hur goes: it truly has an aspect ratio of 2.76:1, making it one of the widest widescreen movies ever. So even on anamorphically enhanced widescreen DVD's that leaves you with almost huge hardencoded black banners.

Remember that DVD is a native 4:3 format, hence the necessity of the anamorphic encoding flag so the horizontal lines can be stretched on widescreen TV's but use the maximum possible vertical resolution.

Allow me to explain with a few images: (I'm basing it on PAL DVD's, but the principle remains the same)



1st. Normal 1.33:1 image for movies like Casablanca, they use the full horizontal and vertical resolution available on the DVd and are displayed without any kind of manipulation to the image.

2nd. Ben-Hur letterboxed ... 4:3 Tv-owners won't notice the difference with anamorphic, but we, the widescreen tv-owners, know that the quality isn't very good because we have to zoom in to get rid of the hardcoded banners, they're huge too for Ben-Hur by the way because of the 2.76:1 aspect ratio

3rd. Ben-Hur anamorphic ... better for widescreen owners, but still far from ideal quality wise. The hardcoded black banners are still huge, leaving lots of vertical resolution unused. On top of that the image is stretched horizontally to fill your TV screen (remember DVD's are 1.33:1 natively). In cases like Ben-Hur this automatically reduces the amount of deatil you can possibly store in the useable part of the MPEG-2, simply because of the fact you need those black bars.

Now there's gonna be HD-DVD / Blu-Ray. Native format is 1.78:1. This would make Ben-Hur look like this:





Now, as you can see the black bars are still there. But:
1. the image isn't stretched horizontally anymore, after all the native format is widescreen as is.
2. the available vertical resolution is a lot higher, going from only 370 out of 576 pixels to 697 out of 1080, but the horizontal resolution difference is a lot bigger because of the native 16:9 format: from 720 to 1920 pixels ! That's 2,66 times more ... an amount of detail that could not be encoded on normal DVD's because of the native 4:3 format on one side and the anamorphic transfers on the other one.

One can only hope they'll be able to encode Academy Format movies in something like 1350 x 1080 instead of resorting to hardcoding black bars to the left and right of the image ... I hope this clarifies a few things.

Most of Warner's restoratians of old movies these last few years have been done in HD (most even at 2000 or 4000 vertical pixels) so DVD's won't be a problem ... Widescreen movies will be the ones who benefit the most from HD as DVD wasn't really well equiped to handle them. Ideally DVD would have needed a 1024x576 mode ... but we got stuck with anamorphic, something that was supposed to make the best out of the worst

Who knows, maybe HD-DVD / Blu-Ray will be a lot more flexible when it comes down to aspect ratios and just have flags indicating the aspect ratio, leaving displaying it correctly to the player, in that case Ben-Hut for example would measure 1920 x 697 pixels ... but I don't think those kinds of details have been made available to date.

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Im gonna wait and see what happens.
I won't be replacing stuff I already bought when the time comes expect my favorites.
PP what you said about what they would do, your probably right and that would sucks balls for alot of people.

As for the difference... I have a 60" LCD and watched Gladiator just on HD cable on TNT and then put in my Gladiator dvd in my upconverter dvd player and if the difference is gonna be like that then its big.
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Well said Scara... errr. typed that is

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As for the difference... I have a 60" LCD and watched Gladiator just on HD cable on TNT and then put in my Gladiator dvd in my upconverter dvd player and if the difference is gonna be like that then its big.
But the real question is will the difference between an upconverter dvd player and a Blu-Ray disc/player be that big on the same screen and if it is not what would be the point, you see.
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yeh... but if I can get the same look on hd discs with like what they show on TNT then Im in, just day 1...lol

yeh I won't know until I see it myself in the showrooms
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But the real question is will the difference between an upconverter dvd player and a Blu-Ray disc/player be that big on the same screen and if it is not what would be the point, you see.
It's obviously gonna depend on the mastering of the title ... it's no different nowadays ... some dvds look worse then VHS ever did. If mastered well the difference should be noticeable when you have a big to very big screen.

I can say that on my 42" screen I can definately see the difference between normal DVD quality and HD quality (I got a few HD trailersa while back, which I re-encoded to normal DVD quality just to find out if there really was a difference ... believe me, there was. Obviously my Plasma-Tv has a HDMi input connector ... no point in trying out the HD quality wise otherwise.)

But I don't really expect any film / HT enthousiast tp have a small screen either ...
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as many people have said - its all about the mastering/authoring of the data on the disc if HD/Blu can old 25GB then and most specials on standard DVD only take up about 1GB, then I fully expect extras to still be only that amount authored as such and at least 20-22GB used for the film bandwidth - anything less than that on this articualr format would be nothing more thna them robbing you of experience becasue of laziness

and therefore why I wont probably wont bother with either - Im holding out for the next level of home entertainment - this is only a sideways step

besides, my TV can only deliver 480 through the component inputs and 1080 through the one DTV input, which I need for the cable box (havent been behind it in a long time to see if I have an HDMI port and dont remember the specs off hand ) so this would be a waste of money for me
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